I’ve spent more time with religious people in the last year than perhaps I have in my whole life. It’s got me thinking about religion with more curiosity than I ever have. So I’m having what are probably middle-school level thoughts.
I’ve forever identified as agnostic, likely because that’s how most of my family rolled when growing up. Aside from what anyone truly believes, most people end up doing the religion their family does. I’m no exception.
I want to be a good person. I like good people. I’m interested in what drives people to be good and vice versa.
Here’s an oversimplification of all humans that rolls through my brain:
| Religious | Non-Religious | |
|---|---|---|
| Good Person | πββοΈ | πββοΈ |
| Not Good Person | πββοΈ | πββοΈ |
There are people in all quadrants.
There are cases that make obvious sense:
| Religious | Non-Religious | |
|---|---|---|
| Good Person | Person that is energized and guided by their religion. It provides a framework for doing good for them. | Person that does good for their own reasons. |
| Not Good Person | Person that does bad and leans on religion to feel OK about it. Everyone is born a sinner, everyone is forgiven if you ask to be, etc. | Person that does bad for their own reasons. |
Who’s evaluating these people as being good or bad, and their individual actions, as good or bad? Me, I do. I’m the judge.
I wonder β are there cases that are nearly the opposite?
| Religious | Non-Religious | |
|---|---|---|
| Good Person | Person that does good because they are just a good person and religion has nothing to with it. | Person that thinks they are doing good for their own reasons, but that’s actually an expression of religion. |
| Not Good Person | Person that does bad but doesn’t self-reflect what they do as bad as their religion shields that. | Person that does bad and worries it is their lack of religion that is the cause, which is actually an expression of religion. |
I’m interested in what helps any individual person be good and provides some kind of framework for evaluating their actions. Maybe I can learn from them. Religious or otherwise, equally. I’d like to think I can. I’m not above reading some scripture to help understand the world and myself if it can help me be better.
But I struggle. I’ve talked to three men in the past year who have had an encounter with a powerful religious figure. They came to them, as it were, in a time of need, and spoke to them clearly and directly and told them what to do. Did they, though? My agnostic brain is full of doubt. Like… you talked to a ghost? OK. Or did their brain just invent that (brains are wild!) because they needed it and the culture they grew up in supports and rewards stories like this? But I can’t help but worry that my own lack of faith prevents me from these powerful guiding moments. After all, I look up to all three of these men in certain ways and find them to be good men. Maybe I can change my brain to get in on this.
I’m just as interested, or more, in the fuel and motivations behind not-good people. I don’t need help understanding doing bad, I don’t think. If I take candy from a baby, then I have candy! Plus, that baby was different to me, and I don’t understand and thus fear it.
I can think of two recent personal instances with very religious people hiding behind a religious shield. They did bad. Not horrifically bad, but you know, they had a choice and made the bad one. I can’t perfectly know their mind, but based on their words and actions, it feels like religion pre-excused the choice. Of course I’m doing something bad, I’m born bad, and I actively feed bad about being bad. Religion isn’t a battery of good for them; it’s trapping them into a counterproductive way of thinking. Perhaps being directly and truly accountable for your own actions can be a way out of that trap?
I think I’ll just continue to be interested in people and try to pick the best path I can. I’m not sure I’m ready to let religion be a guide to me. But I’m very comfortable with the thought that there is an incredible amount of unknown in ourselves and the universe, and that our actions matter.
The contradictions in religion and action will continue to sit uncomfortably for me. I’ve been thinking about this for a year, but high five to Derek Sivers recent post Religion is action, not belief for the motivation to get my own words out.
One man believed God was on his side. He often lost his temper, hurt people, and did more harm than good. But he believed that what matters is whatβs in his heart, since God will forgive his actions and see his good intentions.
Another man was full of doubt but followed the rules of his religion. He stopped to pray five times a day, and donated to charity. He was calm and kind to everyone, no matter how he felt. He was never sure about his beliefs, but kept that to himself, since what mattered were his actions.
What is the point of beliefs if they donβt shape your actions?
Appreciate your openness here to reflect on this – I grew up in a very unhealthy legalistic church with some very bad people. Reminds me of that one Bible verse that reads “For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.” (James 2:26) You’re probably kinder about it than I was.
However, I also had a supernatural experience where God spoke to me through an interpreter by a man in a different country, in a different language – and conveyed specific things that know one else would ever know about me. It was a huge part of my journey learning that God was good, even if His people weren’t.
Not sure what you’ve seen or gone through, but if God wants to get your attention, He can β no matter how you feel about Him. Romans 10:16 “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
Thanks for sharing, and I hope my thoughts were helpful too. Appreciate all you do for the web-community.
I don’t think those are middle-school questions, they’re just starting questions. And if a religion has held together for a long time, it must have come to some sort of answer. Talking it through with people you trust is the way to go. Praying for you on your journey!
This resonates so deeply with me. I’m a Christian myself, and in my church people will often speak of these singular, life-changing experiences that their conviction is based on, but I don’t have such experiences, and the experiences I do have are, in isolation, not compelling. They could be from God, but they could also be from my brain, as you said.
Instead, I’ve gradually come to base my convictions on a sort of gestalt view of my life experience. Looking back, I feel strongly that the times when I was living more aligned with the teachings of Jesusβmore treating others and myself as He taught in Matthew 5-7, for exampleβI was happier and life as a whole just felt more… convergent? It’s hard to describe concretely. But I see a clear pattern there in my own experience, even without the sort of singular religious experiences that many people hang their beliefs on. And that’s what keeps me grounded in my faith.
It kind of seems like an application of John 7:17: “Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.” I think that principle applies over a slightly longer time scale than we might intuitively think. But for me it has held true.
Praying for you on this journey, and as Christopher expressed, thanks for your big contributions to the web dev community.